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  • #946
    While the 777 is a fantastic plane, whichever way you look at, it is the 77W which is the variant that gets all the praise. Unless UL goes for the 77W they would be better off sticking with Airbus and looking at replacing the A343s with A333s.

    As far as I know, there are no 77Ws lying around at the moment, so unless 'talking to Boeing' is used as a tactic to obtain discounts for A333s I do not think it really is a feasible (or a sane) idea to introduce a few 777s, for the sake of getting rid of the A343s.

    Also, do not forget that all credible 777 operators such as Emirates and Singapore are also getting rid of their non-77W variants either replacing them with 77Ws of A333s.

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    • #947
      the issue is 777W dont' come cheap, and so do the pilots who are type rated in 777s .. unless UL can steal back some of the nationals from the sand bar, and the little red dot ..

      And I still believe 333s would do, as SQ has proven, unless UL plans to fly really long legs with the 777W .. atleast a common type rating saves a lot of money, and more ..

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      • #948
        I am not sure if 777 pilots are a lot more expensive compared to the 'bus drivers, but there is no doubt that 77Ws are pricey.

        Besides, it does not make sense to introduce a completely new platform just to add a few airframes. An airline the size of UL does not have to worry about Airbus going out of business (like EK does for instance, hence they try to split the orders between the A and B) so it will be a lot more cost effective for them to go for A333, even though they end up 'abusing' them in a few routes that does not really need such capacity.

        5 years down the line they could decide whether they want to upgrade their entire fleet to A350 series or B787.

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        • #949
          Originally posted by Cayman View Post
          I am not sure if 777 pilots are a lot more expensive compared to the 'bus drivers, but there is no doubt that 77Ws are pricey.
          Actually, the 777 drivers are expensive, if I am to believe the guy I meet every week, as he is doing some crewing for charter .. ..

          Plus the type rating is going to cost a lot, for a new platform, loss of crew commonality, and more .. oh, don't forget the Engineering perspective ...

          777Ws, for their full range to be used up, you need to ensure that your crew is fully certified for ETOPS !!!! And the large Vacuum cleaners of the 777 come with their own logistics, like not being able to be easily air-transportable, unless dismantled, and more and more ..

          Anyway, we can always dream ..

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          • #950
            Originally posted by Cayman View Post
            I am not sure if 777 pilots are a lot more expensive compared to the 'bus drivers, but there is no doubt that 77Ws are pricey.

            Besides, it does not make sense to introduce a completely new platform just to add a few airframes. An airline the size of UL does not have to worry about Airbus going out of business (like EK does for instance, hence they try to split the orders between the A and B) so it will be a lot more cost effective for them to go for A333, even though they end up 'abusing' them in a few routes that does not really need such capacity.

            5 years down the line they could decide whether they want to upgrade their entire fleet to A350 series or B787.
            I would like to debunk two myths here.
            1. SriLankan does have enough demand for 77Ws
            2. There is not really much of a cost difference

            Also, UL is giving away 100 free tickets (to anywhere in network) and have also introduced an instalment pay scheme. More could be found on UL's official Facebook page at http://facebook.com/flysrilankan
            The opinions above are solely my own and do not reflect those of my employer or clients

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            • #951
              Not to mention the GE engines, which UL has no experience with.

              Obligatory GE90-115Bs are a lot more complicated to maintain than the RR, CFM or the IAEs that UL engineering center is certified to handle.

              Range-wise, the only advantage of 77W for UL would be a direct flight to YYZ. Any other destination that they want to fly direct, including SYD could be covered with a A332 or A333.

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              • #952
                Originally posted by Kflyer View Post
                I would like to debunk two myths here.
                1. SriLankan does have enough demand for 77Ws
                2. There is not really much of a cost difference
                You may as well be correct on the first statement, but I beg to differ on the second.

                Unless it was a reckless statement made in haste, I doubt if you are aware that list price of 77W alone is a good USD 80M more than that of A333. (A333 = USD 220M, B77W= USD 300M).

                This is just the tip of the ice burg. There are so many other cost components that will come in to play for UL.

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                • #953
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                  • #954
                    Any new details regarding Helitours Xian MA60 flights?

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                    • #955
                      Originally posted by Cayman View Post
                      You may as well be correct on the first statement, but I beg to differ on the second.

                      Unless it was a reckless statement made in haste, I doubt if you are aware that list price of 77W alone is a good USD 80M more than that of A333. (A333 = USD 220M, B77W= USD 300M).

                      This is just the tip of the ice burg. There are so many other cost components that will come in to play for UL.
                      And who said that airlines buy at list prices? ;-) Neither a 333 will cost 220m, nor will a 77W cost 300.
                      The opinions above are solely my own and do not reflect those of my employer or clients

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                      • #956
                        Took a somewhat difficult decision to miss UL and fly Qatar from YUL to CMB via DOH. $200 less, 5-star airline as per Skytrax. 2 pcs of luggage all the way from YYC

                        Plus some horror stories from recent UL customers. Still it would have been nice to fly UL. May be next time.

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                        • #957
                          Originally posted by Kflyer View Post
                          And who said that airlines buy at list prices? ;-) Neither a 333 will cost 220m, nor will a 77W cost 300.
                          Yes, That is why I said the "List Price".

                          Car salesmen will discount both the Audi A8 and the Toyota Yaris, but the Yaris will always be cheaper than the A8.

                          The same logic applies.

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                          • #958
                            Originally posted by Cayman View Post
                            Yes, That is why I said the "List Price".

                            Car salesmen will discount both the Audi A8 and the Toyota Yaris, but the Yaris will always be cheaper than the A8.

                            The same logic applies.
                            No airframer is so desperate to give away planes; A T7W is still going to cost more than the 330 at the end of the day and a new type is going to have other added on costs associated with it......

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                            • #959
                              Originally posted by CalgaryLankan View Post
                              Took a somewhat difficult decision to miss UL and fly Qatar from YUL to CMB via DOH. $200 less, 5-star airline as per Skytrax. 2 pcs of luggage all the way from YYC

                              Plus some horror stories from recent UL customers. Still it would have been nice to fly UL. May be next time.
                              What about Royal Jordanian ? My friend flew RJ from YUL to CMB a couple of months ago.they offered the cheapest fare at that time.The nicest thing of his journey was that he spent an overnight layover in Amman and he was given access to a lounge for free

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                              • #960
                                Originally posted by uthum View Post
                                What about Royal Jordanian ? My friend flew RJ from YUL to CMB a couple of months ago.they offered the cheapest fare at that time.The nicest thing of his journey was that he spent an overnight layover in Amman and he was given access to a lounge for free
                                Options I got out of YYC; BA/GF, AC/UL, CO/QR or AC/QR were the best prices from YYC. This deal came from QR website as a 3 day sale, and beat all the quotes I got from 3 travel agents. I know there are other deals out of YYZ or YUL, but not from YYC. Looking forward to experience #1 airline in the world.

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