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  • TheF15Ace
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2016
    • 113

    #6796
    Originally posted by Srilankan1
    As long as there is no official statement from the airline I still believe 350s will join UL and also replace aging 332s.
    I don't think even the airline knows what the final decision is yet. The issue keeps being bought up both in UL and among politicians but no one has an answer yet.

    Personally I'd love to see A350s flying in UL colors. I guess we'll have to wait and see

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    • lordvader
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 366

      #6797
      Originally posted by Srilankan1
      As long as there is no official statement from the airline I still believe 350s will join UL and also replace aging 332s.
      This. Plus since the first three A350s are on lease, UL will still have to pay the lease on the aircraft if they are stored till next year. So the storage rumour doesnt make sense. But who knows.

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      • lordvader
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 366

        #6798
        The Premier also explained to the House that the Government was faced with no choice but to go ahead with the purchase of four Airbus A350-900 aircraft for SriLankan Airlines, because reneging on the order made by the previous Government would result in Sri Lanka having to pay USD 1.5 million each in demurrages. The Government would have to follow through on the purchases, even though the national carrier was making huge losses, Wickremesinghe explained.

        “A350-900 purchase agreements were signed by the previous regime, which lead the company to make a loss. SriLankan was a politically driven company. In 2012 the net loss was Rs.17 billion. It has gone up to Rs.26 billion in 2013. In 2014 the loss was Rs.31 billion. With the oil prices coming down the net loss for 2015 came down to Rs.16 billion,” he told Parliament. Wickremesinghe said the four airbus aircraft will have to be obtained at the full purchased price, with the remaining four being bought on lease, despite the national carrier’s losses. “There was no feasibility study done by the previous Government. They must have expected people to line up in airports to fly in these new aircrafts. Now the FCID is investigating the purchases,” he said.
        By Ashwin Hemmathagama  – Our Lobby Correspondent Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe yesterday moved to adopt a Commonwealth Parliamentary tradition in the House which allows members of the legislature to question the Prime Minister directly. The weekly feature will be included in the Order Paper as “Prime Minister’s Question Time.” Explaining the new feat ..


        Guess its a waiting game

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        • Max
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 919

          #6799
          Originally posted by lordvader
          The Premier also explained to the House that the Government was faced with no choice but to go ahead with the purchase of four Airbus A350-900 aircraft for SriLankan Airlines, because reneging on the order made by the previous Government would result in Sri Lanka having to pay USD 1.5 million each in demurrages. The Government would have to follow through on the purchases, even though the national carrier was making huge losses, Wickremesinghe explained.

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          • Cayman
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 379

            #6800
            Originally posted by Max
            Sri Lanka having to pay USD 1.5 million each
            Given the list price of A359 being USD 305M and knowing that UL does not get EK style discounts anymore, USD 1.5M each is a very very small price to pay as a penalty.

            If UL does not have a business case for A350, why not pay the USD 6M and cancel the order. I expected the penalty to be far far greater than that (at least 20 times larger).

            I am not saying USD 6M is chump change, but it is a drop in the ocean in the big scheme if things assuming that UL have to pay close to USD 1B for the 4 A359s. Spending USD 6M now and cutting it lose will be infinitely better than getting stuck with an aircraft that they do not want, for the next 15-20 years and losing hundreds of millions of dollars during its lifetime.

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            • dilushasg-bdavi
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 555

              #6801
              Originally posted by lordvader
              This. Plus since the first three A350s are on lease, UL will still have to pay the lease on the aircraft if they are stored till next year. So the storage rumour doesnt make sense. But who knows.
              Exactly!!! Some people have mixed up the 3 aircraft on lease and the 4 which are directly ordered from Airbus

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              • LukeSkywalker
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 188

                #6802
                Originally posted by Cayman
                Given the list price of A359 being USD 305M and knowing that UL does not get EK style discounts anymore, USD 1.5M each is a very very small price to pay as a penalty.

                If UL does not have a business case for A350, why not pay the USD 6M and cancel the order. I expected the penalty to be far far greater than that (at least 20 times larger).

                I am not saying USD 6M is chump change, but it is a drop in the ocean in the big scheme if things assuming that UL have to pay close to USD 1B for the 4 A359s. Spending USD 6M now and cutting it lose will be infinitely better than getting stuck with an aircraft that they do not want, for the next 15-20 years and losing hundreds of millions of dollars during its lifetime.
                Why waste 6 million? It would be a better option if Airbus is willing to negotiate to move the deposit to any other aircraft (330 Neo?), the 332s need to be replaced anyways.

                Does UL own any aircraft outright now? IIRC all the older ones were sold and leased back and I think the same is happening with the new ones as well even if they are ordered direct from Airbus?

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                • ejanson65
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 628

                  #6803
                  Originally posted by Srilankan1
                  means Airbus will store the AC for 1 year period???? cant imagine .
                  Can't locate the article that mentioned the deferral - will keep looking. It talked about deferral to early 2017 - so about 6 months.

                  It does happen that customers don't take delivery as scheduled - new aircraft do end up in temporary storage. Conditions will be agreed between the leasing company and the Airline.

                  A350 order is al total disaster either way for Sri Lankan taxpayers.

                  Another day - another Donkey gets appointed.....



                  Colombo Telegraph may not be the greatest standard of journalism but they are the only paper reporting on the ongoing corruption at the Airline.

                  Nobody seems interested in running the Airline. What a mess.
                  Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find this business

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                  • lordvader
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 366

                    #6804
                    Originally posted by ejanson65

                    Another day - another Donkey gets appointed.....



                    Colombo Telegraph may not be the greatest standard of journalism but they are the only paper reporting on the ongoing corruption at the Airline.

                    Nobody seems interested in running the Airline. What a mess.
                    Lets hope that this guy has some other skills which could be utilised in his new position!

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                    • banuthev
                      Administrator
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 3947

                      #6805
                      Originally posted by dilushasg-bdavi
                      Exactly!!! Some people have mixed up the 3 aircraft on lease and the 4 which are directly ordered from Airbus
                      According to local media sources, UL have been trying to re-negotiate with Airbus inorder to convert the order of 8 A359s with small aircraft which could support the short haul network. Does it even makes sense? UL didn't even ordered 8 A359s directly from Airbus.

                      UL actually had signed the firm-order agreement with Airbus for only 4 A359s and signed the MOU with Aercap for 3 units of A359s on 12 years operating lease. Not sure about the 8th A350. In my humble opinion, If UL doesn't want those 4 A359s they should sell them to some leasing company and lease back the aircraft which could support their current business model. But UL should take delivery of those 3 A359s from Aercap on operating-lease to serve destinations like London, Beijing, Tokyo etc.. UL needs acquire minimum of few more widebody aircraft to replace ageing Six A332 fleet.

                      “They (the previous government) had agreed to buy four A350-900 planes and lease another four,” he said. “We have not paid a deposit, but if we default we have to pay a penalty of $12 million.” “We are stuck. We have to review the deal and take a decision if we are going ahead with the purchase or not.”


                      UL has to be managed by the Airline Industry Experts not by the Politician' stooges.

                      Originally posted by LukeSkywalker
                      Why waste 6 million? It would be a better option if Airbus is willing to negotiate to move the deposit to any other aircraft (330 Neo?), the 332s need to be replaced anyways.

                      Does UL own any aircraft outright now? IIRC all the older ones were sold and leased back and I think the same is happening with the new ones as well even if they are ordered direct from Airbus?
                      No UL doesn't own any aircraft right now. Those new A330-300s were sold and leased back from lessors.

                      Originally posted by Haleef
                      Cool! Will be waiting
                      Do you know what registration these 3 A359s going to be receive?

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                      • Haleef
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 1468

                        #6806
                        Originally posted by banuthev
                        According to local media sources, UL have been trying to re-negotiate with Airbus inorder to convert the order of 8 A359s with small aircraft which could support the short haul network. Does it even makes sense? UL didn't even ordered 8 A359s directly from Airbus.

                        UL actually had signed the firm-order agreement with Airbus for only 4 A359s and signed the MOU with Aercap for 3 units of A359s on 12 years operating lease. Not sure about the 8th A350. In my humble opinion, If UL doesn't want those 4 A359s they should sell them to some leasing company and lease back the aircraft which could support their current business model. But UL should take delivery of those 3 A359s from Aercap on operating-lease to serve destinations like London, Beijing, Tokyo etc.. UL needs acquire minimum of few more widebody aircraft to replace ageing Six A332 fleet.



                        UL has to be managed by the Airline Industry Experts not by the Politician' stooges.



                        No UL doesn't own any aircraft right now. Those new A330-300s were sold and leased back from lessors.



                        Do you know what registration these 3 A359s going to be receive?
                        No idea yet.
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                        • suganya07
                          Member
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 57

                          #6807
                          New dimension plan upswings for Sri Lanka's national carrier to revive the cash-strapped position into a country's top flagship position ,it has been given a opportunity to choose two breakthrough deals with Qatar airways and the Maldives government in the near future, however with the aim of turning SriLankan Airlines into a profit-making venture,Mihin Air would be integrated and the senior management of the Airline has invited the Airline’s staff to share their innovative ideas and the 'Red to Black’ Campaign was initiated to foster closer relationship with the staff thoughts on initiatives that can be taken to reduce losses and optimize cost as the Airline seeks to make progressive steps towards profitability.

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                          • LukeSkywalker
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 188

                            #6808
                            Originally posted by suganya07
                            New dimension plan upswings for Sri Lanka's national carrier to revive the cash-strapped position into a country's top flagship position ,it has been given a opportunity to choose two breakthrough deals with Qatar airways and the Maldives government in the near future, however with the aim of turning SriLankan Airlines into a profit-making venture,Mihin Air would be integrated and the senior management of the Airline has invited the Airline’s staff to share their innovative ideas and the 'Red to Black’ Campaign was initiated to foster closer relationship with the staff thoughts on initiatives that can be taken to reduce losses and optimize cost as the Airline seeks to make progressive steps towards profitability.
                            Ummmmm..... are you quoting from some very old news story?

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                            • suganya07
                              Member
                              • Jul 2014
                              • 57

                              #6809
                              Originally posted by LukeSkywalker
                              Ummmmm..... are you quoting from some very old news story?
                              No Dear! Its a hot news.Please check the below link



                              Hope it helps

                              cheers
                              xx

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                              • LukeSkywalker
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 188

                                #6810
                                Originally posted by suganya07
                                No Dear! Its a hot news.Please check the below link



                                Hope it helps

                                cheers
                                xx
                                Thanks ! I am not sure how very accurate this reporting is; Maldives does have it's national carrier (though it is mostly regional now).

                                If UL can negotiate 5th freedom flights for other destinations from Maldives in addition to UK it will be good; it seems strange that the Maldivians would want to sign a deal instead of developing their own fledgling airline.

                                Al Baker didn't want anything to do with UL according to reports when he was invited...

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