Sri Lanka Aviation

**NeatStuff** · 01-11-2013, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by 4R-ALA

To all those who keep yapping about our national airline, please kindly STOP showing your hatred towards it, it doesn't sound ethically right nor does it send a good image of us Sri Lankans to others coz let's just face it, all other nationalities love to talk good things about their airlines no matter how rubbish it is or what!!

...just becoz most of us are against the tactics and strategies of MR doesn't mean we show hatred towards our national airline. Personally speaking I am SO NOT a fan of MR either, but I support our national airline coz at least we Sri Lankans have an award winning national airline that we still can boast of compared to other regional countries and those regional nations only have a premier pvt airline only to flaunt of and NOT a national airline.

Although I agree our standards have gone down, but again that's mainly due to demotivated staff. Yet again motivation of staff goes up when financials begin to improve, (perfect example is BA - where it has gone down in so many ways (once upon a time a legendary airline) due to financial hurdles.

Sri Lanka is one of the nations with the highest levels of political corruption and its certainly not easy to do business there even if you are a private entrepreneur. And its certainly not our duty to worry about the financials of UL, it would get on its own two feet some day. Becoz of an airline is the reason why thousands of people are employed in other industries (not just in Sri Lanka but all over the world).

All I am asking is to shift the discussion to something else coz I am sick and tired of the bullcrap many have posted here (just show some dignity people rather than acting like grade 2, 3 kids) or just change the name of this forum/website to an airline/aviation industry of a specific country we all love to talk positive things about...XD

I suggest you stop yapping about 'our award winning airline and boasting about it compared to other regional countries'

I do not want to spend billions for the ability to be able to boast to our regional friends and I am not sure what awards you are talking about, please highlight.

My argument is that the money can be used elsewhere where its really needed. We do not need an airline, its a luxury, and we really do not need a loss making airline. We need education, infrastructure, healthcare, food security and poverty eradication.

I'm going to stop now, as I do agree this is a discussion forum on aviation, not a place to debate the merits of having UL. We have it, are saddled with it and we just have to live with it because the powers that be say so, and we can do diddly squat about it.

**Cayman** · 01-11-2013, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by 4R-ALA

To all those who keep yapping about our national airline, please kindly STOP showing your hatred towards it, it doesn't sound ethically right nor does it send a good image of us Sri Lankans to others coz let's just face it, all other nationalities love to talk good things about their airlines no matter how rubbish it is or what!!

...just becoz most of us are against the tactics and strategies of MR doesn't mean we show hatred towards our national airline. Personally speaking I am SO NOT a fan of MR either, but I support our national airline coz at least we Sri Lankans have an award winning national airline that we still can boast of compared to other regional countries and those regional nations only have a premier pvt airline only to flaunt of and NOT a national airline.

Although I agree our standards have gone down, but again that's mainly due to demotivated staff. Yet again motivation of staff goes up when financials begin to improve, (perfect example is BA - where it has gone down in so many ways (once upon a time a legendary airline) due to financial hurdles.

Sri Lanka is one of the nations with the highest levels of political corruption and its certainly not easy to do business there even if you are a private entrepreneur. And its certainly not our duty to worry about the financials of UL, it would get on its own two feet some day. Becoz of an airline is the reason why thousands of people are employed in other industries (not just in Sri Lanka but all over the world).

All I am asking is to shift the discussion to something else coz I am sick and tired of the bullcrap many have posted here (just show some dignity people rather than acting like grade 2, 3 kids) or just change the name of this forum/website to an airline/aviation industry of a specific country we all love to talk positive things about...XD

Ironic, because I, for one, is a big supporter of what MR has set about doing and have no problem expressing my gratitude in public. My criticism of UL is DESPITE my appreciation for MR.

Unlike some of the previous regimes MR has been able to get to country back on its feet with massive infrastructure projects that are inconceivable just a few years ago. An Expressway to the airport in the making since 1976 (Non-Aligned Nations Conference), extension of railways beyond Matara (first inch of NEW track to be laid since the Brits left) just to name a few.

Since the independence, every administration in SL has been corrupt to varying degrees, but MR (and perhaps to lessor degree R. Premadasa) are the only two leaders who actually made any difference, notwithstanding the corruption.

Despite all this, I am against wasting more money on a deadbeat airline that provides mediocre service, burns through PUBLIC money faster that Blackberry and makes very little if not NO contribution to the nation.

The money spent on UL could be spent elsewhere more effectively, thereby benefiting the entire nation, not just a few selected morons.

**Cayman** · 01-11-2013, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by SLARMYNFF

I'm a Flight Dispatcher for MEA (Middle East Airlines) in Malpensa that's why I know about Fuel

Not sure you do.

According to this, the fuel price in CMB is USD 3.32 / USg and in DXB it is 3.23 and in DOH it is exactly the same as CMB (3.32). So, where is cheap fuel?

Fuel Prices

http://aeroportos.weebly.com/fuel-prices.html#.UnOKh_mPiuI

Fuel Prices

**SLARMYNFF** · 01-11-2013, 01:06 PM

rates change daily but for MEA I cn assure that is like I said

**SLARMYNFF** · 01-11-2013, 01:11 PM

Singapore is a completely different thing....singapore is singapore...too much gap not suitble for examples

just everyone try not to be rude and unpolite as this was just my point of view...I continue to suport my idea that the loses for UL will continue untill new fleet comes

**Max** · 01-11-2013, 02:50 PM

Private Sector Investment Key to Expand SriLankan Airlines

For example - Lufthansa

Deutsche Lufthansa AG, commonly simply known as Lufthansa is the largest airline in Europe, both in terms of overall passengers carried and fleet size & flag carrier of Germany.

Having been a state-owned enterprise until 1994, the majority of Lufthansa's shares are nowadays held by private investors (88.52%), as well as MGL Gesellschaft für Luftverkehrswerte (10.05%), Deutsche Postbank (1.03%), and Deutsche Bank (0.4%).

The airline operates services to 18 domestic destinations and 197 international destinations in 78 countries across Africa, Americas, Asia and Europe, using a fleet of more than 280 aircraft.

**Cayman** · 01-11-2013, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by SLARMYNFF

I continue to suport my idea that the loses for UL will continue untill new fleet comes

This is the biggest issue. If you look at the cost structure of UL and the way they are managed, the 15% or so in fuel savings afforded by the new fleet is not enough to pull it out of the hole it has buried itself in.

**SLARMYNFF** · 01-11-2013, 08:33 PM

of course is not enough but it will help lot!

**banuthev** · 02-11-2013, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Chaminda

4R-ADA is on sky today as ALK1, check on flightradar24.com

It looks like 4R-ADA back in revenue operations. On the 1st Nov, it operated as UL217/8, according to Flightradar24. Someone please confirm.

**channa** · 02-11-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Banuthev

It looks like 4R-ADA back in revenue operations. On the 1st Nov, it operated as UL217/8, according to Flightradar24. Someone please confirm.

Even it operated on Nov 2 nd as UL 114/115 on CMB-MLE-CMB

**Speedbird** · 03-11-2013, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by ecureilx

yah, about Fuel, how come Singapore has cheaper Jet A1 ?
So cheap, we have seen Carriers doing - Say, KUL/JKT/MNL/DPS and the likes uplifting fuel from Singapore on their stopover, than pick up on their next transit/stopover in any city in Middle East ?

I think you and I know why fuel is cheap in Singapore

Originally posted by 4R-ALA

To all those who keep yapping about our national airline, please kindly STOP showing your hatred towards it, it doesn't sound ethically right nor does it send a good image of us Sri Lankans to others coz let's just face it, all other nationalities love to talk good things about their airlines no matter how rubbish it is or what!! ...

There is nothing about hatred...it is about looking after tax payers money and for looking after paying passengers interests...Today there is nothing to be proud or concept of a "National Airline". Passenger is a customer and they demand good service at lower cost.

Originally posted by SLARMYNFF

of course is not enough but it will help lot!

Help what or whom???

...If it still does not cover the operational costs...then who will be paying for the deficit?

**SLAA** · 03-11-2013, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by 4R-ALA

To all those who keep yapping about our national airline, please kindly STOP showing your hatred towards it, it doesn't sound ethically right nor does it send a good image of us Sri Lankans to others coz let's just face it, all other nationalities love to talk good things about their airlines no matter how rubbish it is or what!!

...just becoz most of us are against the tactics and strategies of MR doesn't mean we show hatred towards our national airline. Personally speaking I am SO NOT a fan of MR either, but I support our national airline coz at least we Sri Lankans have an award winning national airline that we still can boast of compared to other regional countries and those regional nations only have a premier pvt airline only to flaunt of and NOT a national airline.

Although I agree our standards have gone down, but again that's mainly due to demotivated staff. Yet again motivation of staff goes up when financials begin to improve, (perfect example is BA - where it has gone down in so many ways (once upon a time a legendary airline) due to financial hurdles.

Sri Lanka is one of the nations with the highest levels of political corruption and its certainly not easy to do business there even if you are a private entrepreneur. And its certainly not our duty to worry about the financials of UL, it would get on its own two feet some day. Becoz of an airline is the reason why thousands of people are employed in other industries (not just in Sri Lanka but all over the world).

All I am asking is to shift the discussion to something else coz I am sick and tired of the bullcrap many have posted here (just show some dignity people rather than acting like grade 2, 3 kids) or just change the name of this forum/website to an airline/aviation industry of a specific country we all love to talk positive things about...XD

If I may respectfully state so 4R-ALA, I'm not sure you comprehend the meaning of "ethics". I'm not breaking any morals or principles by stating true facts about UL, and I'd prefer you to use a different term instead of "yapping" because I'm not just talking bullsh*t, I'm presenting facts. Yes, it was a rant, but it was only because I really do love the idea of having an efficient "national carrier"... But UL currently is an airline, I'd like to not call a "national carrier". It does not deserve that designation because of its poor standing, and its abysmal management team and political interventions. In reference to your statement of staff motivation going up when the financial situation improving.. well how do you suggest we do that? I was, in my post simply pointing out WHY its financial situation is in such a state. We are basically, agreeing, but I am just a bit more blunt. I just thought it would be effective in compiling a list of the different opinions about the airline made by others, along with myself, and posting it in one big well... post, because it would allow readers to see it clearer all presented together.

**banuthev** · 03-11-2013, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by dramirez

Only anecdotal info but I flew EK650/651 DXB-CMB-DXB back in Jan, flight almost full both ways. EK650 was FJY 77W, EK651 was a JY 77W. Surprised to count 6 people in the F suites.

If anyone has some more up-to-date hard info please share.

According to Amadeus, Emirates is going to increase Colombo service from 24 to 27 weekly effective 8th Nov 2013. But Emirates will reduce Colombo service from 27 to 7 weekly between May-July 2014 due to Dubai Airport Runway Maintenance. Great news most of the international airlines have announced that they will increase the capacity of Colombo flights in next few months i.e. Thai Smile, Etihad Airways, Emirates, Kuwait Airways and Qatar Airways. Also Mihin Lanka to increase Dubai service from 3 to 5 weekly from Nov 2013

. Wow CMB is getting busier!

Emirates Flight Schedule (effec 8 Nov 2013)

DXB-CMB - EK650 - B777 - 02:45 - 08:30 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
DXB-CMB - EK348 - B777 - 06:55 - 12:45 - 3
DXB-CMB - EK348 - B777 - 07:45 - 13:30 - 1 2 4 5 6 7
DXB-CMB - EK654 - A330 - 09:05 - 14:50 - 1 2 4 5 6 7 (effec 8 Nov 13)
DXB-CMB - EK652 - B777 - 09:35 - 18:20 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 via MLE

CMB-DXB - EK349 - B777 - 02:55 - 05:55 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
CMB-DXB - EK651 - B777 - 09:50 - 12:55 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
CMB-DXB - EK655 - A330 - 17:25 - 20:25 - 1 2 4 5 6 7 (effec 8 Nov 13)
CMB-DXB - EK653 - B777 - 20:35 - 02:05 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 via MLE

CMB-SIN - EK348 - B777 - 14:00 - 20:20 - 3
CMB-SIN - EK348 - B777 - 14:45 - 21:05 - 1 2 4 5 6 7

SIN-CMB - EK349 - B777 - 00:30 - 01:40 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

**SpookyFlyer** · 03-11-2013, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Banuthev

According to Amadeus, Emirates is going to increase Colombo service from 24 to 27 weekly effective 8th Nov 2013. But Emirates will reduce Colombo service from 27 to 7 weekly between May-July 2014 due to Dubai Airport Runway Maintenance. Great news most of the international airlines have announced that they will increase the capacity of Colombo flights in next few months i.e. Thai Smile, Etihad Airways, Emirates, Kuwait Airways and Qatar Airways. Also Mihin Lanka to increase Dubai service from 3 to 5 weekly from Nov 2013

. Wow CMB is getting busier!

They are going to resume #A330 service! #Interesting

**dilushasg-bdavi** · 03-11-2013, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Banuthev

According to Amadeus, Emirates is going to increase Colombo service from 24 to 27 weekly effective 8th Nov 2013. But Emirates will reduce Colombo service from 27 to 7 weekly between May-July 2014 due to Dubai Airport Runway Maintenance. Great news most of the international airlines have announced that they will increase the capacity of Colombo flights in next few months i.e. Thai Smile, Etihad Airways, Emirates, Kuwait Airways and Qatar Airways. Also Mihin Lanka to increase Dubai service from 3 to 5 weekly from Nov 2013

. Wow CMB is getting busier!

when will a second runway be built at CMB??????????????????? it handled over a 7million passengers and there were 48,416 aircraft movements (tats over 100 per day!!)

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