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  • sfernando34
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 143

    #3931
    Originally posted by ejanson65
    Sounds more like desperation to me...

    HRI = Epic fail!
    I completely agree. This airport is turning into an embarrassment. They would have been better served adding additions to BIA so that people would actually see it.

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    • Speedbird
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 616

      #3932
      Originally posted by Cayman
      @Srilankan1,

      ...In retrospect, they could have chosen a different location for the airport, but where?
      In my opinion, the only place that would have been successful is RML, due to its proximity to the capitol. But land acquisition around RML would not have been feasible...

      I do not agree with you that we should ridicule the authorities for trying to make the best out of a bad situation. Any publicity for HRI is good, especially when it involves the senior executives from the commercial aviation industry.
      RML and JAF
      RML, if GOSL can acquire land for outer circular highway; getting additional land from bankrupt industrial zone is not a problem

      HRI is a financial disaster
      HRI passenger capacity is 1 million and it handled something below 40,000 per annum. Whereas CMB capacity is 6 million and currently handling over 7.25million. Congestion in CMB Airport is already taking a toll on the passenger comfort levels.

      Money should be invested where there is a business. Now CMB has to subsidize HRI operations. This will result in charges in CMB going up. Soon/ I think it is already happening. India is opening its visa controls. CMB will be relegated to a feeder airport. mind you CMB is the most expensive airport in the region.

      and they want to convert HRI into a MRO. huh ALE trainee will get the necessary training and will say thank you very much. No ALE would like to live in Hambantota with their families. They will say where are the schools for our kids and soon they get a break in SIN or DXB they will move out. Otherwise wait till the migration paperwork to come from Australia.

      Originally posted by 4R-ALA
      btw, its very difficult to make a new airport make money or be popularized.

      In Dubai where the current airport is gonna go thru the runway expansion from May to July this yr, most airlines have shifted some of its operations to Sharjah which is another city and thus by ignoring DWC which is Dubai's new and 2nd airport.

      so in a city where development is massive, and there is a world class leading airline like EK, the new airport in Dubai which is DWC has been very hard to market and still is.

      so if its difficult in a rapidly growing city like dubai that too with EK, it will take way loads of time for sl too with hri. so lets see hw this ceremony might be of an advantage for hri too.
      Who need marketing for DWC. DWC is built to supplement Jebal Ali Port and DXB. EK is moving most of Cargo operation to DWC.

      DXB is already congested they need to service 140 x A380s. DXB cannot expand unless they encroach into Emirate of Sharjah. Object of DWC is when the time come to close DXB. They have another airport to take over.

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      • lordvader
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 366

        #3933
        Originally posted by 4R-ALA
        yes tht is the ex-UL ceo.................
        LOL does he still work for UL?

        I think whilst HRI isn't doing as well as expected a bit of publicity cant hurt! IMHO really wish they built a new state of the art airport somewhere in the middle of the island which could've acted as a single hub for all of SL- then built expressways to link all corners of the island with it. But its good to have an alternative airport- even Maldives has Gan Airport.

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        • banuthev
          Administrator
          • Dec 2010
          • 3947

          #3934
          Originally posted by CalgaryLankan
          Did any aircraft gone out of service to a paint-shop to have Oneworld livery or at least a big "Oneworld" sticker for the inauguration ceremony?
          I am wondering why flightradar24 not showing any movements of 4R-ALH and 4R-ADF since 20-Apr-2014.

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          • banuthev
            Administrator
            • Dec 2010
            • 3947

            #3935
            Originally posted by lordvader
            LOL does he still work for UL?

            I think whilst HRI isn't doing as well as expected a bit of publicity cant hurt! IMHO really wish they built a new state of the art airport somewhere in the middle of the island which could've acted as a single hub for all of SL- then built expressways to link all corners of the island with it. But its good to have an alternative airport- even Maldives has Gan Airport.
            SriLankan Airlines's A320 (4R-ABP) flew to Gan Island on 20-Apr-2014 as below. Does anybody know more about this flight? As far as i know UL doesn't operate the revenue flight to Gan Island yet. Someone please confirm.

            2014-04-20Doha (DOH)Colombo (CMB)UL4218-22:47-Landed 03:03
            2014-04-20Gan Island (GAN)Doha (DOH)UL4217-15:43-Landed 21:23
            2014-04-20Colombo (CMB)Gan Island (GAN)UL4217

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            • Srilankan1
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 499

              #3936
              Originally posted by Cayman
              @Srilankan1,

              Your hatred towards a second airport in Sri Lanka is unfathomable, especially since you appear to he a fan of aviation.

              I think we all agree that HRI has not become the successful venture the government hoped it to be, but we should at the same time appreciate the fact that Sri Lanka as a country, has a second international airport now, which is capable of handling any jet aircraft that is currently in commercial operation.

              In retrospect, they could have chosen a different location for the airport, but where?

              In my opinion, the only place that would have been successful is RML, due to its proximity to the capitol. But land acquisition around RML would not have been feasible.

              I do not agree with you that we should ridicule the authorities for trying to make the best out of a bad situation. Any publicity for HRI is good, especially when it involves the senior executives from the commercial aviation industry.
              Truth is bitter.

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              • CalgaryLankan
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 251

                #3937
                SriLankan Airlines signs MRO deal with IndiGo

                Looks like MRO facility at HRI getting some business.

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                • uthum
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 136

                  #3938
                  Looks like we have quite a few people who watch ITN and Rupavahini on the forum
                  Why is it so hard to get over the fact that it's a failed project. I can't wait for the newest victim, Rotana Jet to realize the seriousness of the mistake it has made by flying into this deserted airport.

                  Originally posted by 4R-ALA
                  btw, its very difficult to make a new airport make money or be popularized.

                  In Dubai where the current airport is gonna go thru the runway expansion from May to July this yr, most airlines have shifted some of its operations to Sharjah which is another city and thus by ignoring DWC which is Dubai's new and 2nd airport.

                  so in a city where development is massive, and there is a world class leading airline like EK, the new airport in Dubai which is DWC has been very hard to market and still is.

                  so if its difficult in a rapidly growing city like dubai that too with EK, it will take way loads of time for sl too with hri. so lets see hw this ceremony might be of an advantage for hri too.
                  DWC is doing great as a Cargo hub, I don't think they're even trying to attract passenger flights. HRI on the other hand is attracting neither.

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                  • uthum
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 136

                    #3939
                    Originally posted by Banuthev
                    SriLankan Airlines's A320 (4R-ABP) flew to Gan Island on 20-Apr-2014 as below. Does anybody know more about this flight? As far as i know UL doesn't operate the revenue flight to Gan Island yet. Someone please confirm.
                    Speaking of Gan, any idea how Maldivian is doing in CMB-GAN?

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                    • 4R-ALA
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 383

                      #3940
                      Originally posted by uthum
                      Looks like we have quite a few people who watch ITN and Rupavahini on the forum
                      Why is it so hard to get over the fact that it's a failed project. I can't wait for the newest victim, Rotana Jet to realize the seriousness of the mistake it has made by flying into this deserted airport.

                      DWC is doing great as a Cargo hub, I don't think they're even trying to attract passenger flights. HRI on the other hand is attracting neither.
                      All I'm saying is that its difficult to make a new airport make money becz its not like the GOSL made an extension to BIA.

                      And in Dubai yes DWC is trying to attract passenger flights too fyi.
                      However atm its not working so well.
                      The Dubai authorities did all sorts of arrangements to attract existing PAX operators at DUBAI international to shift to DWC during runway expansion, but most airlines have opted for Sharjah instead.

                      As far as I can remember CMB used to be literally empty until a few yrs ago.
                      Even Sharjah airport used to be/is much busier than CMB.
                      So HRI would naturally take much more to get some amt of people as well. And yes HRI is a failed project no doubt but let them keep trying to popularize HRI.

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                      • banuthev
                        Administrator
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 3947

                        #3941
                        Originally posted by uthum
                        Speaking of Gan, any idea how Maldivian is doing in CMB-GAN?
                        For a second time, Maldivian terminated the flight service to Colombo effective Summer 2014.

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                        • ejanson65
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 628

                          #3942
                          Originally posted by Cayman
                          @Srilankan1,

                          Your hatred towards a second airport in Sri Lanka is unfathomable, especially since you appear to he a fan of aviation.

                          I think we all agree that HRI has not become the successful venture the government hoped it to be, but we should at the same time appreciate the fact that Sri Lanka as a country, has a second international airport now, which is capable of handling any jet aircraft that is currently in commercial operation.

                          In retrospect, they could have chosen a different location for the airport, but where?

                          In my opinion, the only place that would have been successful is RML, due to its proximity to the capitol. But land acquisition around RML would not have been feasible.

                          I do not agree with you that we should ridicule the authorities for trying to make the best out of a bad situation. Any publicity for HRI is good, especially when it involves the senior executives from the commercial aviation industry.
                          Well - let me give this a try...

                          My issue with HRI is that is was built for the wrong reasons - political not economic.

                          Was there a demand for a second International Airport in Sri Lanka? NO!
                          Is there a business case for HRI? NO!
                          Can Sri Lanka afford HRI? NO!

                          The truth is that this (and other) mega projects bring zero benefits to ordinary Sri Lankans. The only people who benefit are a few hired as "Consultants" or who get paid to issue the various permits.

                          There are plenty of airports in Sri Lanka already. You develop airports as follows:-

                          Start small and as the market grows you add larger aircraft and expand/improve facilities. That is how most of today's major airports have developed over the years - driven by Economics and not Politics.

                          These mega projects have bankrupted the country. In case you haven't noticed nobody is lending money to Sri Lanka any more.

                          SriLankan should be a profitable Airline but politics have once again prevailed. Islamic loans means that they cannot obtain traditional financing. If the published figures are correct - they have enough money to operate until the end of the year. That still leaves them with huge debts that they cannot pay back. Financial figures for 2013/14 will back this up.

                          There's one word that sums up the whole mess perfectly - Hubris. Look it up.
                          Last edited by ejanson65; 25-04-2014, 06:08 PM. Reason: deleted text
                          Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find this business

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                          • 88gee
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 144

                            #3943
                            well on my last visit i saw 3 A340s were been towed to the hanger
                            One was ADG , but heard one more in the hanger too so tht means 4 A 340s have to be in hanger :/

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                            • umedhah
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 600

                              #3944
                              Originally posted by Banuthev
                              I am wondering why flightradar24 not showing any movements of 4R-ALH and 4R-ADF since 20-Apr-2014.
                              Probably waiting for a oneworld color upgrade??
                              ​Umedha Hettigoda ®

                              https://banners-my.flightradar24.com/umedhah.png

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                              • SLARMYNFF
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 17

                                #3945
                                First the second airport was mandatory! as in case of BIA closure we don't loose traffic!! BIA can't handle anymore traffic so we needed an other airport wich can handle it! Third No airports are making money within few years! Even BIA needed a plenty of years before it was marketed well in the world! Same thing happened to Linate and Malpensa Airports in Italy but now they are full of traffic! Malpensa airport is in the middle of nowhere connected to the with rail, bus and highway but this happened later when malpensa became interocontinental airport and now it's the main Europe HUB for Easyjet!
                                My opinion is, give time to time and see the difference! An empty airport today could be a HUB to the world in a near future! Just wait and don't always try to talk bad, because very few people knows the subject in this forum.
                                Cheers!

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