Sri Lanka Aviation

**TheF15Ace** · 12-05-2016, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Speedbird

the WORD is $$$...Solutions are not based on tech spec. Tech spec is part of the solution. Cost & time line is also part of the solution

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Except in this case C Series isn't the $$$ effective solution either. Bombardier was pretty firm on not offering large discounts for the C Series (The DL order is speculated to be a different case, but we can assume an exception was made for a blue chip airline placing a large order at a time when the company was in trouble). And introducing a new type has it's own cost like pilot's, cabin crew, engineers being trained and certified, new maintenance program needing to be drawn up and parts having to be bought. All of that for a jet will at the end of the day carry less passengers than the A320

I'm aware that introducing the A320/321NEO will also incur some of those costs (mostly for engineering) nowhere near as much as it will for the C Series.

The only thing C Series has going for it is, as you said the airline might be able to get their hands on it earlier.

**Speedbird** · 12-05-2016, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by TheF15Ace

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Except in this case C Series isn't the $$$ effective solution either. Bombardier was pretty firm on not offering large discounts for the C Series (The DL order is speculated to be a different case, but we can assume an exception was made for a blue chip airline placing a large order at a time when the company was in trouble). And introducing a new type has it's own cost like pilot's, cabin crew, engineers being trained and certified, new maintenance program needing to be drawn up and parts having to be bought. All of that for a jet will at the end of the day carry less passengers than the A320

I'm aware that introducing the A320/321NEO will also incur some of those costs (mostly for engineering) nowhere near as much as it will for the C Series.

The only thing C Series has going for it is, as you said the airline might be able to get their hands on it earlier.

There is $10 million variance just on the list price.

**TheF15Ace** · 12-05-2016, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Speedbird

There is $10 million variance just on the list price.

But the more expensive plane flies further and carries more payload.

**Speedbird** · 12-05-2016, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by TheF15Ace

But the more expensive plane flies further and carries more payload.

So does A380...I am comparing C300 vs A320neo...Most UL routes are within A320 range

**TheF15Ace** · 12-05-2016, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Speedbird

So does A380...I am comparing C300 vs A320neo...Most UL routes are within A320 range

But the A320NEO will still carry more passengers. If you look at the routes that UL currently flies with narrowbodies, you'll notice they carry healthy loads. Why buy the C300 only to have capacity reduced on routes that are performing well.

**Speedbird** · 12-05-2016, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by TheF15Ace

But the A320NEO will still carry more passengers. If you look at the routes that UL currently flies with narrowbodies, you'll notice they carry healthy loads. Why buy the C300 only to have capacity reduced on routes that are performing well.

Oops my bad...it should be A319NEO

Let see the maths

C300 list $82M
A319neo $98.5M
A320neo $107M (30 more Pax for $25M) hmm...interesting

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/new-airbus-aircraft-list-prices-for-2016/

**dilushasg-bdavi** · 12-05-2016, 10:28 PM

Then why not purchase the more established Embraer E-Jets

E170: $38m
E190: $46m
E195: $47m

**Speedbird** · 13-05-2016, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by dilushasg-bdavi

Then why not purchase the more established Embraer E-Jets

E170: $38m
E190: $46m
E195: $47m

^^^ They are 2012 list
True they are good. I have use them between YWG - YYZ - YOW. In mid 2000 they were good but now they are getting replaced by Mitsubishi MRJs or E2s and they fall below the 3000nm range...C Series is more in the group of Neos and Max...A good aircraft for comparison would be B737MAX7

**TheF15Ace** · 13-05-2016, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Speedbird

Oops my bad...it should be A319NEO

Let see the maths

C300 list $82M
A319neo $98.5M
A320neo $107M (30 more Pax for $25M) hmm...interesting

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ices-for-2016/

Ok. But let me ask you this. In your opinion how many routes (both existing and possible future) warrant a capacity reduction to the C300 and realistically how many C300s would UL need to cover them?

**ejanson65** · 13-05-2016, 04:19 AM

No surprises here:-

http://www.dailymirror.lk/109359/No-...lines-Minister

It's all talk - nobody will touch this. Not now - not in 6 months from now.

The sooner this is shut down the better for the people of Sri Lanka imho.

**lordvader** · 13-05-2016, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by ejanson65

No surprises here:-

http://www.dailymirror.lk/109359/No-...lines-Minister

It's all talk - nobody will touch this. Not now - not in 6 months from now.

The sooner this is shut down the better for the people of Sri Lanka imho.

Either that or he is showing smart business acumen by not naming the parties they are in discussions with. That said your reason is more plausible lol.

**Speedbird** · 13-05-2016, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by TheF15Ace

Ok. But let me ask you this. In your opinion how many routes (both existing and possible future) warrant a capacity reduction to the C300 and realistically how many C300s would UL need to cover them?

Again here we go again. I would not even purchase the C Series to UL...most are within the range of E Jets. Including CMB - BOM.

Now let see why E Jets
lower capacity; lower operating cost and higher turnaround in the airports but multiple frequencies (and frequencies change adapting into market condition). Max utilization of the crew.
Aircrafts makes money in the air not in the ground. When you reduce the capacity then you can sell seats at a premium and PAXs who needs to travel at a short notice pays a premium as well. Lower capacity higher demand for seat which results in premium price per ticket.

Capacity does not matter...Yield what matters. Airlines are not in a charity business

**TheF15Ace** · 13-05-2016, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Speedbird

Again here we go again. I would not even purchase the C Series to UL...most are within the range of E Jets. Including CMB - BOM.

Now let see why E Jets
lower capacity; lower operating cost and higher turnaround in the airports but multiple frequencies (and frequencies change adapting into market condition). Max utilization of the crew.
Aircrafts makes money in the air not in the ground. When you reduce the capacity then you can sell seats at a premium and PAXs who needs to travel at a short notice pays a premium as well. Lower capacity higher demand for seat which results in premium price per ticket.

Capacity does not matter...Yield what matters. Airlines are not in a charity business

So what are you suggesting?

1) Revamp the entire narrowbody fleet with smaller jets and increase frequencies all around or

2) Have a small subfleet of 100-130 seat jets to operate a few select routes?

If it's the second, once again how many aircraft do you think should be ordered?

**Speedbird** · 13-05-2016, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by TheF15Ace

So what are you suggesting?

1) Revamp the entire narrowbody fleet with smaller jets and increase frequencies all around or

2) Have a small subfleet of 100-130 seat jets to operate a few select routes?

If it's the second, once again how many aircraft do you think should be ordered?

Thats a question for the UL Finance & Capacity planning depart. If the decision is for me I will close this airline. I don't think UL cannot even afford a biplane.

**Aaqib** · 13-05-2016, 03:34 PM

It is speculated that Virgin Atlantic too have a plan in investing in UL!
This would be a good move i should say as Branson would definitely revamp the current fleet and open up more to Australia and Europe and quite possibly USA too which could encourage more tourists for sure.

Etihad too has shown interest and EY coming on board too would be a good option since they have managed Jet Airways as well as Air Seychelles quite well.

Anyways lets hope for the best!
Awaiting a much needed management change soon

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