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  • dilushasg-bdavi
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 555

    #2776
    Originally posted by Banuthev
    Is Airbus A350-900 a suitable aircraft for SriLankan Airlines flight operations ?
    its fuel efficient and 15,000km range.......seems perfect for loss makin UL!!!!!

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    • Speedbird
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 616

      #2777
      Originally posted by Banuthev
      Is Airbus A350-900 a suitable aircraft for SriLankan Airlines flight operations ?
      Yes; but the question is if UL can afford them

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      • sm777
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 26

        #2778
        Originally posted by Speedbird
        Yes; but the question is if UL can afford them
        Well hasnt it already been ordered by UL? so the question is answered already (if its suitable)

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        • Speedbird
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 616

          #2779
          Originally posted by sm777
          Well hasnt it already been ordered by UL? so the question is answered already (if its suitable)
          no there are no confirmation on that yet...they did an announcement and allocated USD$80 Million for 10 planes. Sri Lankan politicians are very good in giving announcements but not on the deliverable.

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          • Max
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 919

            #2780
            Originally posted by Speedbird
            Yes; but the question is if UL can afford them
            Commercial aircraft's operated by airlines, use more sophisticated leases and debt financing schemes.

            Three most common schemes for financing commercial aircraft are secured lending, operating leasing & finance leasing.

            However, there are other ways to pay for the aircraft.

            Cash
            Operating leasing and sale/leasebacks
            Bank loans/finance leases
            Export credit guaranteed loans
            Tax leases
            Manufacturer support

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            • Max
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 919

              #2781
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              • Speedbird
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 616

                #2782
                Originally posted by Max
                Commercial aircraft's operated by airlines, use more sophisticated leases and debt financing schemes.

                Three most common schemes for financing commercial aircraft are secured lending, operating leasing & finance leasing.

                However, there are other ways to pay for the aircraft.

                Cash
                Operating leasing and sale/leasebacks
                Bank loans/finance leases
                Export credit guaranteed loans
                Tax leases
                Manufacturer support
                They have all built in interest rates which is directly proportional to the credit rating of the company.
                For example EK borrows at a very low interest rate (I think less than 1%) whereas UL borrow at 4% + (I think that the rate last time they borrowed from Mashreq bank)
                UL cannot go after commercial loans that why they are going after shareholder (GOSL) for the capital injection

                No one gives free money

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                • NeatStuff
                  Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 59

                  #2783
                  Originally posted by Speedbird
                  They have all built in interest rates which is directly proportional to the credit rating of the company.
                  For example EK borrows at a very low interest rate (I think less than 1%) whereas UL borrow at 4% + (I think that the rate last time they borrowed from Mashreq bank)
                  UL cannot go after commercial loans that why they are going after shareholder (GOSL) for the capital injection

                  No one gives free money
                  You're statement is meaningless without giving a tenor or if the funding is secured or not. On an unsecured basis, EK at a group/corporate level borrows at around 3% for 5year money. On a secured aircraft financing basis it's less.

                  UL is most likely leasing its planes and that should also come with a 'wrapping' from a European export credit agency which in effect would make the financing risk free. So it will not be directly proportionate to ULs standalone credit strength but be assessed on a transaction by transaction basis. Aircraft are rarely financed at a company leave and very few airlines buy their planes, they lease them.

                  The loan from Mashreq was a corporate facility for 3years with a treasury guarantee and secured through ULs USD receivables. Mashreq got an amazing deal, the stupid government didn't open the transaction up for competition therefore the bank dictated the terms. Someone somewhere made a cut so it ended up being a transaction withouth tenders and competition from other suppliers, typical way to do business in SL.

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                  • Speedbird
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 616

                    #2784
                    Originally posted by NeatStuff
                    You're statement is meaningless without giving a tenor or if the funding is secured or not. On an unsecured basis, EK at a group/corporate level borrows at around 3% for 5year money. On a secured aircraft financing basis it's less.

                    UL is most likely leasing its planes and that should also come with a 'wrapping' from a European export credit agency which in effect would make the financing risk free. So it will not be directly proportionate to ULs standalone credit strength but be assessed on a transaction by transaction basis. Aircraft are rarely financed at a company leave and very few airlines buy their planes, they lease them.

                    The loan from Mashreq was a corporate facility for 3years with a treasury guarantee and secured through ULs USD receivables. Mashreq got an amazing deal, the stupid government didn't open the transaction up for competition therefore the bank dictated the terms. Someone somewhere made a cut so it ended up being a transaction withouth tenders and competition from other suppliers, typical way to do business in SL.
                    Yes we are talking about secured aircraft financing that is very low for EK. and as per your assessment EK corporate unsecured loan (3year) is higher than UL's SECURED (3year) loan.

                    Export Credit:
                    asset and lending risk assessment is done before Export Credit finance rate is approved.
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                    (Page 14)

                    For every airline interest rate differs; right now question is if UL can afford (in your term lease) the planes. It even cannot settle CPC bills on time

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                    • highflyer
                      Junior Member
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 6

                      #2785
                      Originally posted by Banuthev
                      I heard C-GLKB has now been returned to the YTH on 10-12 May 2013, after lease to SriLankan Airtaxi.
                      Originally posted by CalgaryLankan




                      Btw Any news about Cinnamon air fleet?

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                      • Max
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 919

                        #2786
                        Originally posted by Speedbird
                        Yes we are talking about secured aircraft financing that is very low for EK. and as per your assessment EK corporate unsecured loan (3year) is higher than UL's SECURED (3year) loan.

                        Export Credit:
                        asset and lending risk assessment is done before Export Credit finance rate is approved.
                        Book flights across the world and Fly Better with Emirates. Explore our global routes, find the best fares, and discover our unforgettable onboard experience.

                        (Page 14)

                        For every airline interest rate differs; right now question is if UL can afford (in your term lease) the planes. It even cannot settle CPC bills on time
                        Airbus orders that have financing in place involve export credit drawing on state guarantees and sale leaseback arrangements, where airlines buy planes and then sell them to lessors, who lease them to airlines for monthly rental payments.

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                        • highflyer
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 6

                          #2787
                          SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses, last Friday

                          SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.

                          http://www.dailynews.lk/2013/05/20/bus01.asp

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                          • AirCeylon
                            Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 70

                            #2788
                            Originally posted by Highflyer
                            SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.
                            no news in airbus site...

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                            • Azamh
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 246

                              #2789
                              Originally posted by AirCeylon
                              no news in airbus site...
                              Eye Wash - They are leasing used ones and trying make us fool

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                              • banuthev
                                Administrator
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 3947

                                #2790
                                Originally posted by Azamh
                                Eye Wash - They are leasing used ones and trying make us fool
                                Are you sure! perhaps UL is getting used A333s as an interim repalcement until brand new A333s delivered?

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