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  • Speedbird
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 616

    #2776
    Originally posted by sm777
    Well hasnt it already been ordered by UL? so the question is answered already (if its suitable)
    no there are no confirmation on that yet...they did an announcement and allocated USD$80 Million for 10 planes. Sri Lankan politicians are very good in giving announcements but not on the deliverable.

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    • Max
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 919

      #2777
      Originally posted by Speedbird
      Yes; but the question is if UL can afford them
      Commercial aircraft's operated by airlines, use more sophisticated leases and debt financing schemes.

      Three most common schemes for financing commercial aircraft are secured lending, operating leasing & finance leasing.

      However, there are other ways to pay for the aircraft.

      Cash
      Operating leasing and sale/leasebacks
      Bank loans/finance leases
      Export credit guaranteed loans
      Tax leases
      Manufacturer support

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      • Max
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 919

        #2778
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        • Speedbird
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 616

          #2779
          Originally posted by Max
          Commercial aircraft's operated by airlines, use more sophisticated leases and debt financing schemes.

          Three most common schemes for financing commercial aircraft are secured lending, operating leasing & finance leasing.

          However, there are other ways to pay for the aircraft.

          Cash
          Operating leasing and sale/leasebacks
          Bank loans/finance leases
          Export credit guaranteed loans
          Tax leases
          Manufacturer support
          They have all built in interest rates which is directly proportional to the credit rating of the company.
          For example EK borrows at a very low interest rate (I think less than 1%) whereas UL borrow at 4% + (I think that the rate last time they borrowed from Mashreq bank)
          UL cannot go after commercial loans that why they are going after shareholder (GOSL) for the capital injection

          No one gives free money

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          • NeatStuff
            Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 59

            #2780
            Originally posted by Speedbird
            They have all built in interest rates which is directly proportional to the credit rating of the company.
            For example EK borrows at a very low interest rate (I think less than 1%) whereas UL borrow at 4% + (I think that the rate last time they borrowed from Mashreq bank)
            UL cannot go after commercial loans that why they are going after shareholder (GOSL) for the capital injection

            No one gives free money
            You're statement is meaningless without giving a tenor or if the funding is secured or not. On an unsecured basis, EK at a group/corporate level borrows at around 3% for 5year money. On a secured aircraft financing basis it's less.

            UL is most likely leasing its planes and that should also come with a 'wrapping' from a European export credit agency which in effect would make the financing risk free. So it will not be directly proportionate to ULs standalone credit strength but be assessed on a transaction by transaction basis. Aircraft are rarely financed at a company leave and very few airlines buy their planes, they lease them.

            The loan from Mashreq was a corporate facility for 3years with a treasury guarantee and secured through ULs USD receivables. Mashreq got an amazing deal, the stupid government didn't open the transaction up for competition therefore the bank dictated the terms. Someone somewhere made a cut so it ended up being a transaction withouth tenders and competition from other suppliers, typical way to do business in SL.

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            • Speedbird
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 616

              #2781
              Originally posted by NeatStuff
              You're statement is meaningless without giving a tenor or if the funding is secured or not. On an unsecured basis, EK at a group/corporate level borrows at around 3% for 5year money. On a secured aircraft financing basis it's less.

              UL is most likely leasing its planes and that should also come with a 'wrapping' from a European export credit agency which in effect would make the financing risk free. So it will not be directly proportionate to ULs standalone credit strength but be assessed on a transaction by transaction basis. Aircraft are rarely financed at a company leave and very few airlines buy their planes, they lease them.

              The loan from Mashreq was a corporate facility for 3years with a treasury guarantee and secured through ULs USD receivables. Mashreq got an amazing deal, the stupid government didn't open the transaction up for competition therefore the bank dictated the terms. Someone somewhere made a cut so it ended up being a transaction withouth tenders and competition from other suppliers, typical way to do business in SL.
              Yes we are talking about secured aircraft financing that is very low for EK. and as per your assessment EK corporate unsecured loan (3year) is higher than UL's SECURED (3year) loan.

              Export Credit:
              asset and lending risk assessment is done before Export Credit finance rate is approved.
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              (Page 14)

              For every airline interest rate differs; right now question is if UL can afford (in your term lease) the planes. It even cannot settle CPC bills on time

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              • highflyer
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2012
                • 6

                #2782
                Originally posted by Banuthev
                I heard C-GLKB has now been returned to the YTH on 10-12 May 2013, after lease to SriLankan Airtaxi.
                Originally posted by CalgaryLankan




                Btw Any news about Cinnamon air fleet?

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                • Max
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 919

                  #2783
                  Originally posted by Speedbird
                  Yes we are talking about secured aircraft financing that is very low for EK. and as per your assessment EK corporate unsecured loan (3year) is higher than UL's SECURED (3year) loan.

                  Export Credit:
                  asset and lending risk assessment is done before Export Credit finance rate is approved.
                  Book flights across the world and Fly Better with Emirates. Explore our global routes, find the best fares, and discover our unforgettable onboard experience.

                  (Page 14)

                  For every airline interest rate differs; right now question is if UL can afford (in your term lease) the planes. It even cannot settle CPC bills on time
                  Airbus orders that have financing in place involve export credit drawing on state guarantees and sale leaseback arrangements, where airlines buy planes and then sell them to lessors, who lease them to airlines for monthly rental payments.

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                  • highflyer
                    Junior Member
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 6

                    #2784
                    SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses, last Friday

                    SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.

                    http://www.dailynews.lk/2013/05/20/bus01.asp

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                    • AirCeylon
                      Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 70

                      #2785
                      Originally posted by Highflyer
                      SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.
                      no news in airbus site...

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                      • Azamh
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 246

                        #2786
                        Originally posted by AirCeylon
                        no news in airbus site...
                        Eye Wash - They are leasing used ones and trying make us fool

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                        • banuthev
                          Administrator
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 4010

                          #2787
                          Originally posted by Azamh
                          Eye Wash - They are leasing used ones and trying make us fool
                          Are you sure! perhaps UL is getting used A333s as an interim repalcement until brand new A333s delivered?

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                          • Azamh
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 246

                            #2788
                            Originally posted by Banuthev
                            Are you sure! perhaps UL is getting used A333 as an interim repalcement until brand new A333 delivered?
                            dont know till we get the brand new delivery or permanent purchase of used 333. im waiting till the peacok comes out. I will update once ready.

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                            • Max
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 919

                              #2789
                              Originally posted by Highflyer
                              SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses, last Friday

                              SriLankan Airlines has signed an agreement to purchase 10 new airbuses which would be added to the present fleet within the next two years. The purchase agreement had been signed by SriLankan Chairman Nishantha Wickremasinghe and Airbus Industries in Colombo last Friday.

                              http://www.dailynews.lk/2013/05/20/bus01.asp
                              No Such Deal Signed - http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/all...ress-releases/

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                              • Max
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 919

                                #2790
                                SriLankan Airlines seeks permission to purchase fuel from Singapore

                                Sri Lankan Airlines has sought permission from the government to purchase aviation fuel from Singapore to cut down its fuel expenses.

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