Sri Lanka Aviation

**Cayman** · 04-06-2014, 05:17 PM

While I completely agree with you that UL really is a waste of public money I cannot agree with your assertion that $500,000 buys a lot of fuel.

A340-300 has a fuel cost of about USD 32 per NM while the A350-900 is predicted to have a cost of USD 27 for the same distance, without even taking in to account the fact that the A359 can carry around 20 passengers more. This works out to a saving of USD 5 per NM and in a month it will easily save over USD 1.5 million in fuel costs alone.*

*Assuming a daily CMB-LHR flight of approximately 5000NM - Return (5,000NMX2tripsX30dayXUSD 5)

**Srilankan1** · 04-06-2014, 08:49 PM

Change the UL's Management. abolish MIHIN and merge it with UL as a one Company . Then make a regional wing of Srilankan Airlines to operate as a LCC.

We can make profits or at least reduce lost even before new Aircrafts comes in.

**ejanson65** · 05-06-2014, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Cayman

While I completely agree with you that UL really is a waste of public money I cannot agree with your assertion that $500,000 buys a lot of fuel.

A340-300 has a fuel cost of about USD 32 per NM while the A350-900 is predicted to have a cost of USD 27 for the same distance, without even taking in to account the fact that the A359 can carry around 20 passengers more. This works out to a saving of USD 5 per NM and in a month it will easily save over USD 1.5 million in fuel costs alone.*

*Assuming a daily CMB-LHR flight of approximately 5000NM - Return (5,000NMX2tripsX30dayXUSD 5)

@Cayman

The A350 will certainly save fuel vs A340. No issue there.

My point is that because there is huge difference in lease costs between the A340 and A350 the cost savings are going to be a lot less. It isn't some magical solution to profitability as is repeatedly mentioned.

Corrected calculation 4400nm x 2 x 30 x5 = $1,320,000/month in fuel savings. Subtract the difference in leasing costs leaves you with $820,000 in savings.

With losses of $13,000,000+/month this is only going to make a 6-7% difference. Savings could very well be less if the difference in lease costs is more than $500,000/month.

(Historical note:- Senior UL Captain told me the same fuel efficiency argument was used when the Tristar was replaced by the A340)

@Srilankan1

Too little too late IMHO.

**Srilankan1** · 05-06-2014, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by uthum

Came across this on facebook! It's funny how some people here are still trying to defend this man who destroyed UL.

unfortunaltly that was not the first time he did this. You are correct and I get furious to when i see still some people tries to defend him.

**Cayman** · 05-06-2014, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by ejanson65

@Cayman

The A350 will certainly save fuel vs A340. No issue there.

My point is that because there is huge difference in lease costs between the A340 and A350 the cost savings are going to be a lot less. It isn't some magical solution to profitability as is repeatedly mentioned.

Corrected calculation 4400nm x 2 x 30 x5 = $1,320,000/month in fuel savings. Subtract the difference in leasing costs leaves you with $820,000 in savings.

With losses of $13,000,000+/month this is only going to make a 6-7% difference. Savings could very well be less if the difference in lease costs is more than $500,000/month.

(Historical note:- Senior UL Captain told me the same fuel efficiency argument was used when the Tristar was replaced by the A340)

@Srilankan1

Too little too late IMHO.

I absolutely agree that buying more fuel efficient aircraft is not going to magically compensate for the incompetence and mismanagement.

For an otherwise well run airline however, the increased leasing cost is easily set off by the potential savings in fuel costs and that is where I had disagreed with your assertion.

BTW, according to CGM, CMB-LHR distance is 4708 NM and with the obligatory 30-45 minutes London city tour before descending in to LHR, I thought 5,000 NM is a fair figure. Having said that, your figure of USD 1.3M a month saving is more plausible, as I did not account for the fact that the same aircraft cannot be rotated fast enough for the next trip the following day with westward block time exceeding 11 hours, so the actual utilization of the A359 would be less.

**dilushasg-bdavi** · 06-06-2014, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Srilankan1

I was always with it Umedha.The most stupid decision we have ever made to break away from the Emirates thanks to HE Rajapassa.

it was a 10 year deal,,, 1998-2008.......

**Srilankan1** · 06-06-2014, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by dilushasg-bdavi

it was a 10 year deal,,, 1998-2008.......

OK .What was the reason not to extend it ???

**Speedbird** · 06-06-2014, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Srilankan1

OK .What was the reason not to extend it ???

He would not answer that...I also would like to add another question for that...since this a "10 Year" deal; why did GOSL revoke the CEO's Visa before the end of the 10 Year term?

**Cayman** · 06-06-2014, 12:25 PM

Now that we are opening this can of worms again, we all know the reason: MR's entourage wanted seats on a UL flight from LHR to CMB at short notice and the airline refused to bump off fare paying passengers.

This again goes to prove that my suggestion, that MR should have his own presidential aircraft (and in my opinion he deserves one, as the head of the state - and now even more so as the chairperson of the commonwealth-). It will be a lot cheaper for the country even if he gets his own A380, because the damage caused to the UL will then be avoided and UL could be run like a commercial enterprise.

**Speedbird** · 06-06-2014, 01:31 PM

Yes Cayman...We all know the reason why the management contract was not extended; but when you have internet trolls mis representing/skirting around facts like saying breaking away from EK was due to a simple and just ending of a term then I have a problem with that statement.

**Srilankan1** · 06-06-2014, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Speedbird

He would not answer that...I also would like to add another question for that...since this a "10 Year" deal; why did GOSL revoke the CEO's Visa before the end of the 10 Year term?

I like that question. very good one.

if you go to skyscapers Forum i still have Hill's photo as my Avatar. I changed it soon after MR eliminated that excellent CEO from Srilankan Airline.

**lordvader** · 07-06-2014, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Cayman

This again goes to prove that my suggestion, that MR should have his own presidential aircraft (and in my opinion he deserves one, as the head of the state - and now even more so as the chairperson of the commonwealth-). It will be a lot cheaper for the country even if he gets his own A380, because the damage caused to the UL will then be avoided and UL could be run like a commercial enterprise.

I agree with you. He should probably get an A319CJ so that way UL can earn revenue from maintaining it. And the best way to maintain UL is to sell it (or even part privatise) it to a local. Not sure if its true but I read in a paper that Harry J was interested a few years ago? Someone like him would be able to restructure UL well. And they would be more willing to look for foreign staff in areas where needed.

**Srilankan1** · 07-06-2014, 10:03 PM

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**Serendib** · 08-06-2014, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by banuthev

A7-ADV (CN 3274) to be SriLankan's second A321. According to skyliners, A7-ADV flew to Dublin for paintwork on 30/5/14.

Withdrawn Qatar Airways A321 A7-ADV Positions to Dublin Maintenance.30/05/2014. Withdrawn Qatar Airways A321 A7-ADV positioned Doha – Kuwait – Dublin for maintenance in the early hours of this morning as QR3263. The aircraft will be prepared for service with SriLankan Airlines. theqatarsource.com/http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a321-3274.htm
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Any other pics of A7-ADV? upcoming 4R-ABR ;-)

**Greenwing** · 08-06-2014, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Serendib

Any other pics of A7-ADV? upcoming 4R-ABR ;-)

A7-ADV A321 this is a photo off the Qatar leaving Dublin, Ireland at approx 8.40PM

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